AJA #20: The Pipeline Problem

It’s a strange time to be a cyclist, a bike shop, or in the bike industry. Pro teams are scrounging for components. New frames are difficult to come by. Bike shops, swamped with extraordinary demand, are closing due to lack of supply. As an innovator in the bike industry to talks to bike shops and pro teams every day, Josh has practical insight into making the best of a problematic pipeline. 

We also talk about how Silca goes about greenlighting a new product, marginal gains on gravel, and what Josh really wants marginal gainers to think about when we’re on our bikes.

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8 thoughts on “AJA #20: The Pipeline Problem

  1. A waxing question for Josh. I use a slow cooker to rewax my chains. Does the fact that the cookers heats up through induction make any difference to the quality of the penetration etc? The chain is also being heated by induction as well as the conduction via the heated wax.
    It probably marginal on top of marginal but I,m intrigued!

    Also on a separate topic, do tyres lose pressure quicker when being ridden rather than just sitting? The rapid fluctuations in pressure over surface unevenesses might serve to raise the average pressure for a given volume over time?
    Cheers

    Andy Walford

  2. Josh,

    I have a conceptual question on how meaningful marginal gains are. Last year, and I’m paraphrasing, you said that Primoz Roglic looked like he was having a bad day on that last TT, but you could name a bunch of marginal gains and you think that the sum of their expected value was roughly equal to his losing margin. This year, he looked like he was doing better. Never mind that he crashed out, the point is that our performance fluctuates. We can control some of that fluctuation, but not all of it.

    Let’s say I have a Gran Fondo in a week, and I measured my FTP at 200W. Really, I should be assuming that my FTP on Gran Fondo day is a random variable with a mean of 200W and some standard deviation. Imagine that I can identify 10W worth of marginal gains that I think are cost-effective. Now, imagine that my FTP has a normal distribution for simplicity – it can’t really be normal, that implies that the variation is symmetric when there has to be a physical upper bound, but this is for ease of illustration. Imagine that the standard deviation is 10W – comparable to the marginal gains I identified. If you plot two normal density functions with standard deviations of 10 and means of 200 and 210, they overlap a non-trivial amount. Basically, there will be quite a few days when my pre-gains self would have beaten my post-gains self.

    If we are talking more like a scenario where I am doing an FTP test on Zwift, and imagine I time traveled back to the morning of the same day and erased all my physical and mental fatigue and ran that test a bunch of times, there’s still going to be some variation in my actual performance there. I am not talking about your power meter’s +/-2% accuracy, I am talking my actual performance. But that variation is going to be a lot smaller. The further back I time travel, the more variation there is.

    Anyway, within individuals, how much variation in performance are we expecting compared to the magnitude of potential marginal gains? I can tell you that in 2018, I had my FTP measured at 175W, because I was way out of shape. I got back into riding, and I went on a Zwift bender this winter. I think I measured it at 210-220W late 2020, and got it up to nearly 250 in March 2021 or so. Then after some real life stuff, I missed some riding time and I think it’s back down to the 220s. Which is fine, I can get it back – but to me that illustrates the possible magnitude of my intra-individual standard deviation under real life conditions. If have marginal gains that I think are cost effective, I should still do them, as I am unquestionably better off *on average*. This question is more about *how often* I am better off. If you increase the standard deviation, the two hypothetical normal curves overlap more. If you reduce the standard deviation, they overlap less – so in my hypothetical scenario of a large number of Zwift trials across multiple time travel sessions, the amount of overlap will be smaller, and the selves that waxed their chain will have a higher FTP in a clear majority of those trials.

    Moving from intra-individual to inter-individual variation, I think that among top athletes, the variation between different individuals’ mean FTPs has got to be fairly narrow; the time gaps in Grand Tours have to reflect how things compound from day to day plus the influence of adverse events. The variation between individual means at the amateur level has got to be pretty big. In that sense, while I’m still waxing my chain, it is not going to vault me from Cat 4 to 3 on its own, let alone from 2 to 1 or 1 to pro.

    For reference, my sense is that the distribution of FTPs should be left skewed by quite a bit, so definitely not a normal distribution (which is symmetric). You’re typically resting and prepping for an FTP test, so that test should identify something on the high side of your potential FTPs, i.e. there’s not much distance above your average FTP from your recent test, and there’s a longer distance below it. There has to be a physical limit. A normal distribution would imply that if my mean FTP was 200W, there’s a small but non-zero chance that I could crank out 230W or better on a day, and it’s equally as likely me only being able to do 170W or less. That can’t be. If anyone is familiar with the skew normal distribution, I’m thinking something like that with a negative shape parameter, e.g. alpha = -4 or lower in the parameterization on Wikipedia. I am not familiar with the skew normal distribution or other alternative distributions, so I haven’t been able to graph those scenarios out. However, I think my statement that the area of overlap is fairly large would still generalize to left-skewed probability distributions.

  3. on the podcast you go into the concept of single use longevity for lube on the chain. but what about a related concept/issue? does that longevity change depending on the interval between application and use? eg some
    lubes need drying or curing time but aside from that, let’s say you lube a chain and it sits in the garage for 2 weeks/3 weeks/4 weeks before use. does that affect use longevity? similarly if it sits in the garage versus inside an apartment etc., how does that change things? other corollary questions would be does lube last equivalent times if you do 1 100 miler versus 2 50 milers 1 day apart or 2 days apart 1 week apart etc?

  4. Hi…I’m working on a masters hour record and am considering changing my track race wheels to clinchers to facilitate various tire and pressure choices. I ride the asphalt track in San Diego, the concrete track in Encino, and the indoor wood track in LA. Knowing that there is no one-size-fits-all, is clincher a reasonable option? I’ve been gluing tires for 40 years, so that’s not an issue, but my current wheels are older and narrow, so I want to upgrade to more modern wheels anyway. I’m guessing there are probably gains to be had on the outdoor tracks, but are there any gains (or losses) with a lower pressure clincher on a wood track where we normally run skinny tubulars with pressures in the 150+ psi range?

    Thanks,

    Jeff

  5. Hi Guys, love your podcast, been binging while in the car. The mix of bikes, physics, engineering and in depth discussions are great.
    I would love to know why i should really be concerned about aero gains on a bike frame (21-Cannondale Supersixevo) when the clain is its only effective or a gain after 35kmh. Myself and certainly lots of punters never average that speed, i’m happy if i get high 20’s.
    Another pls – are there watt gains by shaving legs? Or why dont cyclists wear socks just above the shoes, not long that would have more drag??
    Thanks Guys, love your work

  6. Amazingly, I think this is a topic that I’ve never heard Josh weigh in on: electronic braking. And specifically, wireless braking. Two aspects of this interest me:
    1. Can there be enough redundancy of signal sending/receiving to make this safe (perhaps such that if the system fails, the brakes automatically activate)?
    2. How much energy is required to activate braking over a longish, hilly ride, and can that energy be practically delivered by a battery system?

    Thanks!
    Jeff

  7. Sometimes when I’m on a local bike trail, I see a group of kids training on roller skis. In years past I would say something to roller skiers about what color klister wax they were using. Now I’m using wax and they are not.

    I just rewaxed and as I was flexing the cooled chain I was thinking: When chains wear they get more space between links and pins and get longer. What makes the chain so stiff right now is that there is wax in those joints. Is it shorter or just being prevented from getting shorter? If it is shorter how long does that last?

    As I used a hook to pull the chain out of the pot, I thought the wax did not look uniform in color. Are some of the additives coming out of suspension and should I stir the melted wax before I put the chain in, rather than just laying the coiled chain on top of solid wax and turning on the heat?

  8. Hey I have a question on MTB suspension. Would adding weight to the center/ bb area improve proformance and handling? My thoughts are that it would lower the COG and and improve the sprung:unsprung weight? But would this translate to better on trail proformance? If so what would the best amount of extra weight be? This is in an enduro sense.

    Thanks

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